Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

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    Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    Quote from: MadKap on Today at 05:06:01 AM:

    "How does that buffalo bore compare to golden sabre in the p380?"

    MadKap, I did a search on this site for the Buffalo Bore ammo, as well as the BB site. I don't know exactly what the Remington GS ballistics are, but if they are anything like most of the others from Reviews and testing the P380, GS are probably about 850-900 fps out of the P380 with around 200 ft-lbs energy. The BBs ought to be around 150-200 fps muzzle velocity higher and around 280 ft-lbs energy. BB test from a KelTec p3AT gave 1100 fps for the 90 grain JHP round that I chose. Its barrel is a tad longer, but not much difference in performance I would think.
    Checkout 380 Auto +P Pistol & Handgun Ammunition . There is a lot of info there. From what I read Kahr finally said that the P380 could handle the BB since it was +P capable.
    Cabelas has a sale on BB right now and a $20 coupon or free shipping on orders over $100. (The offers are on anything, not just the BB.)
    I think that this is the stoutest ammo you can get for the P380. I had planned on using Hornady Critical Defense ammo, but may use the BB 90gr JHP for CC. I'll have to try both after I get my PP380 and break it in. My normal practice is to use standard velocity ammo with high performance bullets that match the ballistics of my practice ammo. If I go with the BB, that will be different. I won't be practicing much with +P ammo -- ballistic differences don't matter so much at close range. Performance or knock-down power matters, though!
    I hope that helps a bit. Take care.
    Wynn

    Update: I checked the factory ballistics for the 102gr. GS and they list 940 fps and 200 ft-lbs at the muzzle. For the P380 that would probably equate to 800-850 fps and a bit less than 200 ft-lbs based on the drop for factory vs. P380 barrel that I've seen in tests and reviews. Check out the product reviews by magazine on Kahr's site:
    Kahr Arms / .380 ACP Models / P380 Series
    Several of them have test tables of ammo tried and accuracy -- very informative -- real tests. That's my thoughts, anyhow.
    Wynn

    16Dec03:00
    RiskPro has posted some good reference links 15Dec11:54PM:
    Ballistics and performance tests on Kahr Talk Forum -- very good:
    http://kahrtalk.com/ammunition/733-resources.html
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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    Thank you I really appreciate the data. I'm still waiting to get my hands on the Kahr but I've been wondering if I should hold onto my golden sabre stash (I have 5 boxes) or maybe sell or trade them for buffalo bore if anyone around here has some. Hopefully the other members will also check out the resources you've provided!

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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    MadKap, glad I could help. I just searched and rounded up some info here and there. At Cabela's I found info on Corbon 90 grain JHP out of a 2 1/2" barrel at 1050 fps and 220 ft-lbs for $23.99 a box of 20. This is about 200 fps more than standard ammo test of the P380. That's the thing, though, you have to compare apples to apples, ie. same barrel or gun with like bullets. BB talks a good product as far as components like bonded JHP and low-flash powder with maximum safe loads for best performance. It sure sounds good and Cabelas was selling it for $19.99 a box plus $20 rebate off $100 or more orders of anything. The MRSP is $26+ and BB was selling it for $24+ plus shipping. Fall is almost gone... <<sigh>> No P380, no fun, yet.
    Wynn

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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    Quote Originally Posted by MadKap
    Thank you I really appreciate the data. I'm still waiting to get my hands on the Kahr but I've been wondering if I should hold onto my golden sabre stash (I have 5 boxes) or maybe sell or trade them for buffalo bore if anyone around here has some. Hopefully the other members will also check out the resources you've provided!
    stick with your golden sabres, one super round..
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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    I just became a fan of BB. Bought 4 boxes of their 90 gr JHP and fired about 35 rounds at the range yesterday. Could feel the power as each round fired. Alternated each mag with FMJ of various brands and the difference was easily noticable. All five mags of the BB fired perfectly and every round was unbelievably accurate. I am now comfortable carrying this for SD, and this will be my only everyday carry ammo from now on.
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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    Anyone else happy with Buffalo Bore. I just ordered some BB JHP from Cabelas and am planning on using it for SD since I was just approved for my CCW. I wanted to give me a little more power but now i want to know if it feeds nice too.

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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    I got 4 boxes of BB 100gr LFP ammo. Best 380 defense round on the market in my opinion.

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    Re: Baffalo Bore Vs. Remington GS 102 grains

    I think it is super ammo, i saw some test where they shot 90 hp BB at 5 jugs of water, the BB devastated the first jug and went on into jug # 4 the bullet opened up like it suppose to, they shot a Rem GS 102 through the same 5 jugs and the bullet never open up at all, the difference in power was awesome as the jug hit by the BB exploded

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