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gramps, shoot the darn BB when u get the P380. It will handle them. One can't expect kahr to state any different than what their statement was. They specify saami rounds only and that just makes good sense. No different that loading your own and blowing it up also. No kahrs have been blown up by any round as of now, the BB has not done any damage to any P380 excpet kraigster side plate came loose and I still debate whether the BB round did that My opinion is was a bad plate or not in right from the factory. I seriously doubt if any back pressure from the BB round would get back that far on that gun to do such a thing, but that being said. when a round like BB well exceeds the limits of saami standard 380, then it is time to start thinking about one using his head to. If you need more power, then get a 9mm. these barrels on these 380 like the kahrs, lcp and kt are not 2" thick, that should be the first hint of staying withing factory saaami stuff.oldgranpa said:This is all very interesting but disturbing in the sense that first it's OK and then it's maybe OK but now it seems it's too risky. Those of you who have fired BB in your LCPs and P380s haven't had a kaboom and only the side plate problem reported. Since it now appears that Kahr is not going to stand behind the P380 if damaged by BB, do we dare shoot it?? Or will Buffalo Bore take the blame for a damaged pistol??
Another question, what pistols does Buffalo Bore say are safe with their ammo?? What pistols have THEY fired it in???
Still waiting for my P380 but I have a box of BB on hand that I bought initially when you all had tried it and said you would even carry it for CCW. So maybe I should take it down to my dealer and let him sell if for me for whatever I can get.
Not too happy about all this and seems Buffalo Bore has sold us some baloney.
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u are exactly right, no other way to put that trigger bar in the polymer guns except have that side plate there. Kahr can callit what ever they want and I am sure in a k-boom that side plate will be gone, as will the rest of the gun also. I callit add hype, like +P+ 380 ammo, pure b. s.brent375hh said:I think the side plate would only pop if you actually popped a case head. In other words you would have remembered the exact round it popped out.
The side plate is there to stuff the trigger bar in, not as a safety valve as Kahr would have us think. Look at any Kahr and you will see that you could not assemble them without removing the grips on a steel gun or the side plate on a plastic one.
Oldgranpa,oldgranpa said:This is all very interesting but disturbing in the sense that first it's OK and then it's maybe OK but now it seems it's too risky. Those of you who have fired BB in your LCPs and P380s haven't had a kaboom and only the side plate problem reported. Since it now appears that Kahr is not going to stand behind the P380 if damaged by BB, do we dare shoot it?? Or will Buffalo Bore take the blame for a damaged pistol??
Another question, what pistols does Buffalo Bore say are safe with their ammo?? What pistols have THEY fired it in???
Still waiting for my P380 but I have a box of BB on hand that I bought initially when you all had tried it and said you would even carry it for CCW. So maybe I should take it down to my dealer and let him sell if for me for whatever I can get.
Not too happy about all this and seems Buffalo Bore has sold us some baloney.
og
Strange.. They (Kahr) need to start singing out of the same hymnbook. Below is the response they gave to me:kraigster414 said:If I can my 2-cents....My guess is that Kahr's green light on +P as a general policy in all their guns predates the introduction of so-called +P .380 ammo, i.e., Buffalo Bore (BB). The rub is, that there are no industry (SAAMI) standards for +P .380 so Kahr would be going on a liability limb by endorsing since pressures could be all over the map depending on the comfort zone of the manufacturer. We know for a fact that BB exceeds SAAMI pressure . 380 limits by a relatively substantial margin.
Then again, and Kahr truly needs to confirm one way or the other, they (Kahr) may have extensively test fired BB in the P380 and came to the conclusion it is safe. To be honest, I really don't know. Talk to different folks at Kahr and you get different answers. I was told point blank by a rep at Kahr at a recent LE trade show, "no-go" on .380 +P in the P380 for the reasons stated. The saga continues.
I guess I will roll the dice. If the BB feeds properly I will only shoot 12 - 18 rounds a year. I only want as my SD round. The P380 looks much sturdier than my LCP. I have the PM9 and it is a great pistol but nowhere as easy to pocket as the new P380. Thanks for your input I appreciate it....kraigster414 said:Hmm. Given the fact that there are no industry standards for .380 +P, Kahr is leaving it up to the ammo manufacturers to include the fringe ammo manufacturers to decide what is acceptable and safe and I am not totally comfortable with that. Having said that, I assume the powers-to-be in Worcester have picked this apart with a fine tooth comb and elected to give the green light.
Bottom line, Kahr has made a blanket statement that ALL +P factory/American made ammo is safe in their guns so if one of these super-charged rounds causes your P380 to go belly-up, it would appear it's on their dime. Frankly, I think the P380 can handle BB in moderation but the cost is accelerated wear and tear on the gun. Is it worth it? Want more out of the .380? Get a Kahr PM9 or another subcompact 9mm.