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Hi...a frivolous posting I know but there's more coming. I acquired a PM9 several weeks ago at a local shop, I wasn't looking a Kahr of any caliber but stumbled across a used MA compliant PM9, put it in my hand and knew I wanted that gun. Out the door at $348 ($319,+sales tax), after a 10 day wait, I finally took possession of it but could not shoot it for a few weeks due to covid-19 range closure. Once I fired that gun, I became a Kahr believer, what a sweat, accurate shooter! Next up I knew would be a CW45 or PM45. Found a CW45 on GB (several always posted) with a starting bid of $300, no bidders, none, zero...auction expired and the seller reposted with a starting bid again of 300 bucks. This time, I bid that 300 and waited. I won the auction, not one bid but mine, she has shipped at $339 (300,+3%CC,+ shipping). Are these guns so bad that no one would even consider them but me? The fit and finish, not to mention the accuracy, of the PM9 is truly impressive so why not the same for the CW45? Every YT video I have seen on the CW45 or any Kahr model raves about the gun. What am I missing here?

I'll take possession of the CW45 in about two weeks, shipping + 10 day wait and when I do and get her to the range, I'll add a range report to this post. Meanwhile, I'll shop around for an 'officer's' magazine for that extra round, suggestions?

PM9, Hogue Sig P365 grip sleeve, Magguts +1 mag spring/follower, Pearce grip extender
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Sportsman's Warehouse has the CW45 listed at $369 so my final GB price $339 +$25(transfer fee)+sales tax ($33) = $397 is still less than their price (369+tax~405).
 

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Yeah, I agree with both posts above. But if the three of us, indeed, everyone on this forum are Kahr fan boys, why is it that few if any bids are offered on GB for at least the CW45? I'm not complaining, just making an observation. Heck, if the prices stay low, I'll just continue adding Kahr's to my collection like I have with other guns. I recently completed the entire series of the Ruger SR guns: SR45, SR9, SR40, SR9C, SR40C.

I find it ironic that many will carry a 5 or 6 round revolver yet shy away from a 5+1 semi. My plan is to replace the Kahr 6+1 magazine with an 7 round 1911 Officer's magazine and possibly an 8 rounder if it's out there. I'll see what's in my 1911 box of magazines and figure that one out after I take possession. Eight 45ACP slugs is awesome by any standard. I'm sure that we all know, and it has been documented, that three rounds in a real shooting is typical. Stay tuned...
 

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My transfer FFL received the CW45 yesterday so I was at least able to put it in my hand. I won't take possession of it for 10-12 days thanks to the new WA state gun laws. It felt great in-hand and I am super anxious to pop off a few rounds with it. I'm now looking for the best 7 round magazine. From what I've been reading and watching YT videos, the ACT Officer's magazine is a good choice.

As far as magazine capacity goes, I personally am not hung up over that. I'm not against carrying a 6 round revolver (Rossi 462 SS 357) so why should I not carry a 6 round 45ACP? The reality is that in a real confrontation, 3 rounds is typical, plus with a small 5 or 6 round magazine it is easy to carry a spare.

Back to my PM9, I replaced the ugly short Kahr +1 magazine extension with the Lakeline extension for a better fit to hand plus I installed the Magguts +1 spring and follower to the Kahr 7 round mag. It is now 8+1, looks and feels great so I'm carrying the PM9 with 9 rounds. I'll post a pix of later.

https://lakelinellc.com/shop/magazine-sleeve-and-base-plate-to-fit-9mm-kahr-1-round-extended-magazines/
 

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It's official, I took possession of my recently acquired CW45 (GB $300). I've shot about 60-70 rounds through it, that is, when it manages to chamber a round. Being a used gun (super clean), I have no idea how many rounds have been down the pipe. There's plenty of videos and postings on how to correct or improve the function of the extractor which apparently is the reason it won't chamber a round. (The case rim fails to get under the extractor causing the cartridge to hang up). I disassembled the extractor assembly, took about 0.020" off the front extractor post (rear side that touches the spring, not the beveled front that engages the extractor) so the extractor opens farther allowing the rim to slip under completely. I have hand cycled many rounds and will take it to my range today for a test. When it did fire, it was a sweet shooter as expected. Stay tuned...

I also got a Kimber 1911 Compact 7 round magazine (Kimber #1000173A, Stainless, flush bottom plate). I had to grind the lips of the magazine so they don't interfere with the slide, plus I added Hogue's Ruger Security Nine (Regular, not Compact) grip sleeve which gives the gun a robust feel in hand. This Kimber magazine's follower does engage the slide stop so it should remain open after the last round.

CW45 with Kimber magazine and Hogue Security Nine Regular grip sleeve, PM9 with Security Nine Compact grip sleeve.
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https://store.kimberamerica.com/7-round-stainless-steel-magazine-compact
 

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Went to my range this morning and popped off a bunch of rounds through the CW45. The results were so-so. Still some failures to chamber a round requiring a push on the slide so the extractor engages the brass rim. In all fairness to the gun, it did unload an entire magazine for maybe 40% of the time. This isn't good 'nuff for me, I won't settle for less than 100% functionality. After I brought the gun home, I removed the extractor and filed the area that engages the brass's rim, I polished every surface I had access to. I removed more material from the round end of the extractor push rod and polished that too. Reassembled the slide and hand cycled many rounds all of which were snagged by the extractor like it is supposed to do. I won't be able to test at the range until Wednesday so I'll post a range report then. Stay tuned...
 

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Good news! I made it to the range yesterday and put about 40 rounds downrange with the CW45, NO issues this time. Shortening the front extractor rod, rounding the extractor's sharp corner and buffing all contactor surfaces seems to have done the trick. I used both 185 and 230 grain bullets with Bullseye and my go-to 45 powder, Alliant Reddot. The Kimber magazine, however, needs work. The follower actually popped out of the magazine and went down range, not far but I had to call for a cease fire to get it, HA! I'll use small dabs of JB Weld to secure the follower to the spring where they contact, that will secure it in place. Once I get that fixed, I'll get more rounds down range then put it in the carry rotation.
 

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Well, it's been a long time since the last posting, the world continues to go nutso, Covid, Ukraine, where does it end?
Anyhow, I have since acquired a Kahr K9 Elite '98. The pix, clockwise left to right, is the CW45, K9 '98 and the PM9.

The CW45 continues to shoot flawlessly since I did my fixes. The PM9 has always shot out of the box perfectly as does the K9 '98. I found the K9 at a local shop and gave them big bucks, used, out the door at $660. No regrets, she's an amazing shooter plus has nearly the best feel in-hand as any of my guns. Next up will be a K40, if I can find one or possibly a MK40, no decbision yet. The K9 elite models are highly polished SS with the improved (shorter pull trigger). Since 1998, all Kahr triggers went to the short pull so the newer "elites" have other improvements or refinements.
 

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Update...I did something I thought I'd never do, I bought a freakin' GLOCK (G27, Gen3, 40S&W)!! Yep, inspired by the design of the Kahr trigger, that is, to complete the striker spring compression then release the sear, I discovered that's the same method Glock uses in their "safe action" trigger/striker. It appears Justin copied or was inspired by Gaston's method and used it in his K9. Glock uses the long straight pull of the trigger to compress the striker spring whereas Kahr takes advantage of the rotary action of the "cam". Rotating the cam takes less trigger pull to get the same amount of compression as the Glock's long straight pull. The result is the same spring compression in a smaller package. Brilliant. I'd bet that the boys at Glock are asking themselves 'why didn't we think of that'??

(Re-G27: I'm in the ten day wait period where the State of Washington goes through my approval process. We used to be able to lay down the cash and walk out with a new gun if you had a CCW permit but the rules have changed. The state now has to verify you are not accused of domestic violence or a host of other bad things. The fact that you already might own a gun doesn't matter. I guess if you are prone to do bad stuff, you need a new gun to be a threat. I can understand a background check for a new gun owner but for someone who already owns a gun, it make s zero sense. It's truly amazing the logic these politicians and anti-2A crowd use.)

Meanwhile, the K40 project will have to wait until the play money stash gets replenished.
 

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I feel your pain. Makes even less sense when you go into the store legally carrying your concealed pistol.

I liked my G27, for a time. Ended up selling the Glocks off though. Maybe yours will stay with you longer.
Got it, but I learned a long time ago to never sell or trade in a gun. I made that mistake a time or two and now wish I had those guns. I guess if you need cash then selling makes sense but I'm alone in life so what I spend on guns or other hobbies and interests affects no one but me. I do admit my walk-in gun locker needs to be expanded unless I back off on increasing the collection.
 

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Still here with the PM9, CW45 and K9 Elite '98. Took the PM9 to the range a few days ago as refresher and as expected, it loaded, fired and ejected all rounds. Also took the Sig P238 which I have not fired in ages. That little 380 is amazingly accurate. At 50 feet, it was hitting a torso sized target with every round. Have not fired the K9 for an extended period but that's OK, it's a solid gun in which I have super high confidence. I know Kahr is dropping the 40 S&W guns so next up will be a used K40 or MK40. I'll check out one of my LGS's (DJ's in Bothell). Last time I was there, I noticed 3-4 Kahr's sitting in a display cabinet.
 

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Update October: Since my last posting in June, I've been super busy upgrading one of my seldom used cars, '84 Corvette. I haven't been to the range in weeks. The C4 Vette has been sitting idle for more than a year and decided it was time to get it road ready. It's become my "EDC" vehicle, meanwhile, the G27. has been my go-to EDC.

Anyhow, I'm still leaning towards a K40. I'm starting a search of LGS's this week in an attempt to find a K40. Unfortunately, my dream guns; MK45, K45 don't exist. The best I can do is a K40 or MK40. Stay tuned...

(I'd jump all over a S&W CSX in 45ACP if they ever bring one to market. I put one in my hand recently and was really impressed.)
 

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Update to October's Update: I visited one of my fav LGS's in search of a MK40 but found none so I peeked into their 9mm cabinet and noticed a MK9. It was tagged at $650 and more than I was willing to pay so I asked them how much would they take for it? When the owner said $475, I jumped on it. After we did the deal, I asked why he discounted the gun by $175. He said he was shutting down the business at the end of the year and was trying to...pardon the play on words...unload inventory. I'm now in the 10 day wait period and will have possession of the MK9 no later than 11/9. So why would I buy an MK9 when I have a PM9 and K9 you ask? I like the K9's feel in my hand and how well it shoots, I fully expect the smaller MK9 to be an outstanding 9mm in terms of EDC/CCW. Also, the MK9 has two mags plus original box. With my PM9 magazines, MagGuts capacity inserts and Pearce extenders, it made the impulsive decision to buy easier. The MK9 MSRP is $1000.

Knowing his guns will be discounted, I checked out his 45ACP cabinet and saw several 45's that would like to add to my EDC collection, namely alloy framed subcompacts, Kimber Ultra Compact for one. Stay tuned...
 

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Timing is everything...nice find...sounds like you'll be loading up for yourself to enjoy an early Christmas... :)
I'm alone in life so every day is Christmas! I buy guns, tools and other guy stuff when I need or want it. Considering the way life in the USA is going, I can...pardon the play on words...unload any of my guns at more than I paid. So, you might say they are an investment.
 

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Update to the Update to October's Update: I'm happy to report the play money stash has been replenished, so the search for a MK40/K40 is ON. If I do get one that I can afford, this might be my last gun purchase. I admit I have said that before, but it will be the completion of my goal of having 9mm and 40S&W EDCs in metal frames. I'm OK with polymer EDCs in 45ACP as I have never experienced a brass failure in 45 whereas, I have had brass failures in the high pressure 9 and 40 calibers which can be destructive.
 

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Update to the Update to October's Update: I'm happy to report the play money stash has been replenished, so the search for a MK40/K40 is ON. If I do get one that I can afford, this might be my last gun purchase. I admit I have said that before, but it will be the completion of my goal of having 9mm and 40S&W EDCs in metal frames. I'm OK with polymer EDCs in 45ACP as I have never experienced a brass failure in 45 whereas, I have had brass failures in the high pressure 9 and 40 calibers which can be destructive.
Update to this morning's Update to the Update to October's Update: I finally managed to get to the range today and popped off ~50 rounds from the MK9. It loaded, fired and ejected all rounds, no issues. I took a bunch of JHP's (115 grain "Nukes"; a new RMR bullet), they were charged with Bullseye and Power Pistol. Aiming at the berm approx 50 feet down range, all rounds were easily within a torso sized target. At 30 feet, every round was within the paper target. As expected, she's a sweet shooter. 👉
 

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Update to this morning's Update to the Update to October's Update: I finally managed to get to the range today and popped off ~50 rounds from the MK9. It loaded, fired and ejected all rounds, no issues. I took a bunch of JHP's (115 grain "Nukes"; a new RMR bullet), they were charged with Bullseye and Power Pistol. Aiming at the berm approx 50 feet down range, all rounds were easily within a torso sized target. At 30 feet, every round was within the paper target. As expected, she's a sweet shooter. 👉
Update to November 10th's Update to the Update to October's Update:

Finally snapped a pix of my Kahr family:
Top Left: CW45 (shown with Houge grip sleeve)
Top Right: K9 Elite '98 (factory rubber grip panels)
Bottom Left: PM9 (shown with Houge's P365 grip sleeve)
Bottom Right: MK9 (factory nylon grip panels)
(PM9 and MK9 with Pearce grip extensions. Both magazines with MagGuts spring and follower for 7+1 capacities. CW45 with Kimber (#1000173A) 7+1 magazine. Reduced recoil and striker springs on order from Wolff. One more to go: K40, stay tuned...)
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Received and installed Wolff reduced recoil and striker spring kit. Their kit is compatible with several models Khar's. According to Wolff, the factory recoil spring is 20 lbs and the striker spring at 6 lbs. I acquired their 18.5 lb recoil spring kit which included dual springs and guide rods plus a 5 lb striker spring. I measured 5 lbs for the trigger pull but I am not able to measure the recoil spring force. I'll have to give that some thought. I opted to install the package in the MK9 and will upgrade my PM9, K9 if the MK9 doesn't have any issues in feeding and firing. I can't get to the range until Wednesday and will report on the MK9's performance.
 

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Received and installed Wolff reduced recoil and striker spring kit. Their kit is compatible with several models Khar's. According to Wolff, the factory recoil spring is 20 lbs and the striker spring at 6 lbs. I acquired their 18.5 lb recoil spring kit which included dual springs and guide rods plus a 5 lb striker spring. I measured 5 lbs for the trigger pull but I am not able to measure the recoil spring force. I'll have to give that some thought. I opted to install the package in the MK9 and will upgrade my PM9, K9 if the MK9 doesn't have any issues in feeding and firing. I can't get to the range until Wednesday and will report on the MK9's performance.
Took the MK9 to the range with the new recoil and striker springs. It fed, fired and cycled three magazines...no issues. I did not expect any light strikes with the 5 lb striker spring but I had to confirm that before using it as an EDC. I use 115 grain RMR "nukes" with Bullseye and Power Pistol. PP was noticeably a lighter recoil than Bullseye, but Bullseye was still OK. I think I'll just go with PP in loads for the Kahr 9's.
 

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CW45 update: I replaced the recoil spring that came with the gun with a 20lb Wolff spring. I don't have any way to measure the recoil spring force (yet) so I now have a known 20lb spring in the '45. With the 20lb spring, the slide action slams the extractor claw over the rim without any issues. This was likely the problem from day-one that prevented the slide going into battery. Reducing the extractor's spring force may have helped but increasing the recoil spring's force was the better choice. I suspect that the CW45's original owner replaced the recoil spring with an 18lb or lower spring so the slide could be racked easier but that caused the battery problem. At my last range session, it fed, fired and ejected 50 rounds of 200 grain round nose with zero malfunctions.

BTW: I'm very close to pulling the trigger for a K40. Stay tuned...:cool:
 
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