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Just me? I don't get it...

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Hi...a frivolous posting I know but there's more coming. I acquired a PM9 several weeks ago at a local shop, I wasn't looking a Kahr of any caliber but stumbled across a used MA compliant PM9, put it in my hand and knew I wanted that gun. Out the door at $348 ($319,+sales tax), after a 10 day wait, I finally took possession of it but could not shoot it for a few weeks due to covid-19 range closure. Once I fired that gun, I became a Kahr believer, what a sweat, accurate shooter! Next up I knew would be a CW45 or PM45. Found a CW45 on GB (several always posted) with a starting bid of $300, no bidders, none, zero...auction expired and the seller reposted with a starting bid again of 300 bucks. This time, I bid that 300 and waited. I won the auction, not one bid but mine, she has shipped at $339 (300,+3%CC,+ shipping). Are these guns so bad that no one would even consider them but me? The fit and finish, not to mention the accuracy, of the PM9 is truly impressive so why not the same for the CW45? Every YT video I have seen on the CW45 or any Kahr model raves about the gun. What am I missing here?

I'll take possession of the CW45 in about two weeks, shipping + 10 day wait and when I do and get her to the range, I'll add a range report to this post. Meanwhile, I'll shop around for an 'officer's' magazine for that extra round, suggestions?

PM9, Hogue Sig P365 grip sleeve, Magguts +1 mag spring/follower, Pearce grip extender
Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Gun accessory Revolver

Sportsman's Warehouse has the CW45 listed at $369 so my final GB price $339 +$25(transfer fee)+sales tax ($33) = $397 is still less than their price (369+tax~405).
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I feel your pain. Makes even less sense when you go into the store legally carrying your concealed pistol.

I liked my G27, for a time. Ended up selling the Glocks off though. Maybe yours will stay with you longer.
Got it, but I learned a long time ago to never sell or trade in a gun. I made that mistake a time or two and now wish I had those guns. I guess if you need cash then selling makes sense but I'm alone in life so what I spend on guns or other hobbies and interests affects no one but me. I do admit my walk-in gun locker needs to be expanded unless I back off on increasing the collection.
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My first Kahr is the CW 45 I got mine for $280 with 2 extra mags.
Before this my lightest CCW was a Colt commander.

Let me start by saying I knew it was a POS from the start, however I needed a little 45acp & my friend had one & let me shoot it.
Boy was I wrong about this little pistol, it's fantastic & goes bang every time it's asked too.

I did set out to prove or break this little plastic pistol, & was pleasantly surprised how well this CW45 performed.
Bought a Sig P250 before the Kahr & it was a real POS took a year to get it to run right & I do not trust it to this day,

First range visit I had blood blisters on my right thumb from loading the mags & caught the web of my left hand twice racking the slide back. o_O
I thought Kahr must have gone nuts on spring tension & read somewhere to leave your Kahr mags loaded at all times & they will break in someday LOL.

Now I have nine 1911s from 1917 to 2011 so I do know how to load mags & rack the slide back.
After almost 900 rounds of S&B 230 gr ball & 180 gr +Ps some left over hollow points my colt's did not like, this is a hell of a machine.
The only FTF I had with her was my Nephew just pushed the mag in & did not smack the mag home, it failed to feed so I released the
mag drove it back home again & it fired all 5 remaining rounds. I trust this little 45acp with my life it has Federal 165gr hollow points
that I bought back about 10 years ago.

Get a slip on rubber hand protector I do not have the hands with callouses like I had back in my shop day the plastic grips make
the S&W cheese graters look smooth.

So does anyone know when Kahr CW45s will be back for sale at the LGS? I won't pay over $400 so this may be my only CW45.



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If you like your CW you owe it to yourself to try a PM45 or P45 from Kahr's Premium line. Maybe someday Kahr will listen to us and produce a metal framed .45
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If you like your CW you owe it to yourself to try a PM45 or P45 from Kahr's Premium line. Maybe someday Kahr will listen to us and produce a metal framed .45
I have it via an e-mail direct from Kahr that there are no plans for K45...sigh...:cry:
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Yeah, I think we're all resigned to the fact that it's only a pipe dream. There aren't a lot of reasons that come to mind to explain why they wouldn't. In fact in these days when high capacity wonder nines are everywhere a company that only makes low capacity guns should be doing all they can to make and sell big bore offerings. I kind of think that Justin is just happy where his company is at and has no desire to make it bigger.
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Still here with the PM9, CW45 and K9 Elite '98. Took the PM9 to the range a few days ago as refresher and as expected, it loaded, fired and ejected all rounds. Also took the Sig P238 which I have not fired in ages. That little 380 is amazingly accurate. At 50 feet, it was hitting a torso sized target with every round. Have not fired the K9 for an extended period but that's OK, it's a solid gun in which I have super high confidence. I know Kahr is dropping the 40 S&W guns so next up will be a used K40 or MK40. I'll check out one of my LGS's (DJ's in Bothell). Last time I was there, I noticed 3-4 Kahr's sitting in a display cabinet.
Update October: Since my last posting in June, I've been super busy upgrading one of my seldom used cars, '84 Corvette. I haven't been to the range in weeks. The C4 Vette has been sitting idle for more than a year and decided it was time to get it road ready. It's become my "EDC" vehicle, meanwhile, the G27. has been my go-to EDC.

Anyhow, I'm still leaning towards a K40. I'm starting a search of LGS's this week in an attempt to find a K40. Unfortunately, my dream guns; MK45, K45 don't exist. The best I can do is a K40 or MK40. Stay tuned...

(I'd jump all over a S&W CSX in 45ACP if they ever bring one to market. I put one in my hand recently and was really impressed.)
Update to October's Update: I visited one of my fav LGS's in search of a MK40 but found none so I peeked into their 9mm cabinet and noticed a MK9. It was tagged at $650 and more than I was willing to pay so I asked them how much would they take for it? When the owner said $475, I jumped on it. After we did the deal, I asked why he discounted the gun by $175. He said he was shutting down the business at the end of the year and was trying to...pardon the play on words...unload inventory. I'm now in the 10 day wait period and will have possession of the MK9 no later than 11/9. So why would I buy an MK9 when I have a PM9 and K9 you ask? I like the K9's feel in my hand and how well it shoots, I fully expect the smaller MK9 to be an outstanding 9mm in terms of EDC/CCW. Also, the MK9 has two mags plus original box. With my PM9 magazines, MagGuts capacity inserts and Pearce extenders, it made the impulsive decision to buy easier. The MK9 MSRP is $1000.

Knowing his guns will be discounted, I checked out his 45ACP cabinet and saw several 45's that would like to add to my EDC collection, namely alloy framed subcompacts, Kimber Ultra Compact for one. Stay tuned...
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Update to October's Update: I visited one of my fav LGS's in search of a MK40 but found none so I peeked into their 9mm cabinet and noticed a MK9. It was tagged at $650 and more than I was willing to pay so I asked them how much would they take for it? When the owner said $475, I jumped on it. After we did the deal, I asked why he discounted the gun by $175. He said he was shutting down the business at the end of the year and was trying to...pardon the play on words...unload inventory. I'm now in the 10 day wait period and will have possession of the MK9 no later than 11/9. So why would I buy an MK9 when I have a PM9 and K9 you ask? I like the K9's feel in my hand and how well it shoots, I fully expect the smaller MK9 to be an outstanding 9mm in terms of EDC/CCW. Also, the MK9 has two mags plus original box. With my PM9 magazines, MagGuts capacity inserts and Pearch extenders, it made the impulsive decision to buy easier. The MK9 MSRP is $1000.

Knowing his guns will be discounted, I checked out his 45ACP cabinet and saw several 45's that would like to add to my EDC collection, namely alloy framed subcompacts, Kimber Ultra Compact for one. Stay tuned...
Timing is everything...nice find...sounds like you'll be loading up for yourself to enjoy an early Christmas... :)
Timing is everything...nice find...sounds like you'll be loading up for yourself to enjoy an early Christmas... :)
I'm alone in life so every day is Christmas! I buy guns, tools and other guy stuff when I need or want it. Considering the way life in the USA is going, I can...pardon the play on words...unload any of my guns at more than I paid. So, you might say they are an investment.
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Update to the Update to October's Update: I'm happy to report the play money stash has been replenished, so the search for a MK40/K40 is ON. If I do get one that I can afford, this might be my last gun purchase. I admit I have said that before, but it will be the completion of my goal of having 9mm and 40S&W EDCs in metal frames. I'm OK with polymer EDCs in 45ACP as I have never experienced a brass failure in 45 whereas, I have had brass failures in the high pressure 9 and 40 calibers which can be destructive.
Update to the Update to October's Update: I'm happy to report the play money stash has been replenished, so the search for a MK40/K40 is ON. If I do get one that I can afford, this might be my last gun purchase. I admit I have said that before, but it will be the completion of my goal of having 9mm and 40S&W EDCs in metal frames. I'm OK with polymer EDCs in 45ACP as I have never experienced a brass failure in 45 whereas, I have had brass failures in the high pressure 9 and 40 calibers which can be destructive.
Update to this morning's Update to the Update to October's Update: I finally managed to get to the range today and popped off ~50 rounds from the MK9. It loaded, fired and ejected all rounds, no issues. I took a bunch of JHP's (115 grain "Nukes"; a new RMR bullet), they were charged with Bullseye and Power Pistol. Aiming at the berm approx 50 feet down range, all rounds were easily within a torso sized target. At 30 feet, every round was within the paper target. As expected, she's a sweet shooter. 👉
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Update to this morning's Update to the Update to October's Update: I finally managed to get to the range today and popped off ~50 rounds from the MK9. It loaded, fired and ejected all rounds, no issues. I took a bunch of JHP's (115 grain "Nukes"; a new RMR bullet), they were charged with Bullseye and Power Pistol. Aiming at the berm approx 50 feet down range, all rounds were easily within a torso sized target. At 30 feet, every round was within the paper target. As expected, she's a sweet shooter. 👉
Update to November 10th's Update to the Update to October's Update:

Finally snapped a pix of my Kahr family:
Top Left: CW45 (shown with Houge grip sleeve)
Top Right: K9 Elite '98 (factory rubber grip panels)
Bottom Left: PM9 (shown with Houge's P365 grip sleeve)
Bottom Right: MK9 (factory nylon grip panels)
(PM9 and MK9 with Pearce grip extensions. Both magazines with MagGuts spring and follower for 7+1 capacities. CW45 with Kimber (#1000173A) 7+1 magazine. Reduced recoil and striker springs on order from Wolff. One more to go: K40, stay tuned...)
Photograph White Black Air gun Trigger
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Received and installed Wolff reduced recoil and striker spring kit. Their kit is compatible with several models Khar's. According to Wolff, the factory recoil spring is 20 lbs and the striker spring at 6 lbs. I acquired their 18.5 lb recoil spring kit which included dual springs and guide rods plus a 5 lb striker spring. I measured 5 lbs for the trigger pull but I am not able to measure the recoil spring force. I'll have to give that some thought. I opted to install the package in the MK9 and will upgrade my PM9, K9 if the MK9 doesn't have any issues in feeding and firing. I can't get to the range until Wednesday and will report on the MK9's performance.
Received and installed Wolff reduced recoil and striker spring kit. Their kit is compatible with several models Khar's. According to Wolff, the factory recoil spring is 20 lbs and the striker spring at 6 lbs. I acquired their 18.5 lb recoil spring kit which included dual springs and guide rods plus a 5 lb striker spring. I measured 5 lbs for the trigger pull but I am not able to measure the recoil spring force. I'll have to give that some thought. I opted to install the package in the MK9 and will upgrade my PM9, K9 if the MK9 doesn't have any issues in feeding and firing. I can't get to the range until Wednesday and will report on the MK9's performance.
Took the MK9 to the range with the new recoil and striker springs. It fed, fired and cycled three magazines...no issues. I did not expect any light strikes with the 5 lb striker spring but I had to confirm that before using it as an EDC. I use 115 grain RMR "nukes" with Bullseye and Power Pistol. PP was noticeably a lighter recoil than Bullseye, but Bullseye was still OK. I think I'll just go with PP in loads for the Kahr 9's.
CW45 update: I replaced the recoil spring that came with the gun with a 20lb Wolff spring. I don't have any way to measure the recoil spring force (yet) so I now have a known 20lb spring in the '45. With the 20lb spring, the slide action slams the extractor claw over the rim without any issues. This was likely the problem from day-one that prevented the slide going into battery. Reducing the extractor's spring force may have helped but increasing the recoil spring's force was the better choice. I suspect that the CW45's original owner replaced the recoil spring with an 18lb or lower spring so the slide could be racked easier but that caused the battery problem. At my last range session, it fed, fired and ejected 50 rounds of 200 grain round nose with zero malfunctions.

BTW: I'm very close to pulling the trigger for a K40. Stay tuned...:cool:
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Update: I recently acquired a "K40 Covert" which has completed my goal of a metal frame Kahr in the high pressure 9 and 40 S&W calibers. I have not yet fired the gun but will get to the range this weekend after I clean and lube the K40. For those who don't know, the "Covert" models are the long slides with MK size grip on a K size frame. A K9 Covert is not a K9 slide mated to a MK9 frame, the Covert is a totally unique gun with a long slide with a shorter frame grip, thus one less round (5+1) in favor of the concealability of the shorter grip. Kahr does make a 6+1 magazine but with that totally ugly extension. No thanks...I switched a Magguts follower and spring from one of the 9mm magazines into a 40-magazine making it 6+1.

The 9's and 40 are shown with Pearce grip extensions, the CW45 has a Kimber 6+1 magazine. The grip sleeves are Hogue's. The recoil springs are Wolff 18.5 lbs with 5 lbs striker springs except for the CW45 which has a Wolff 20 lb recoil spring.

Top left: K9 Elite '98, Top Right: K40 Covert; (notice the grip size)
Center MK9
Lower left: CW45, Lower right: PM9
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