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One New P380, Two People & Two Completely Different Range Results

1 Brand New Kahr P380 - Black with Night Sights
No Rubbing, no buffing, no grinding, no sanding...no anything.
Just tear down, cleaned and lubricated as instructed.

100 rds American Eagle 380 auto 95 gr FMJ
100 rds Independence 380 auto 90 gr FMJ


Went through the 95 gr rounds first and 90 gr rounds last and the two of us pretty much shot an equal amount of rounds alternating as we used the two magazines... well maybe 60/40 as it is my gun... He also had his Glock 40 cal and shot a box with no failures I might add. I also had my 357 and 44 Blackhawks and shared half a box each.


Two Different People:
With pretty much the same size hands, same two hand grip and stance etc.

Person #1: Myself with near 40 years of occasional all around shooting and hunting. Shot a heck of a lot more when I was a kid. Very seldom in adulthood.

Person #2: My Brother in Law, a little older than me with what I now consider to be limited experience. Like several boxes of rounds through a few hand guns or so... I think.


Two Completely Different Results from the break in of the Kahr P380:
Person #1: Each and every time I fired that weapon it worked flawlessly, not one little error, none, zero.

Person #2: Nearly each and every time my Brother in Law handled that weapon it would have some kind of failure...
Several failures to chamber the rounds and/or rounds lodged in the ramp
Several failures to fires on chambered rounds and several misfires after clearing
Several premature battery locks or not going into battery when empty

This went on throughout the 200 round break in period right up to the end, he seemed to have more problems with the 90 gr than the 95 gr but he also could just have gotten too wore out.

Bottom line is this in my opinion:
Person #1: I am a real hard guy to please but I have to say... this is one sweet little pocket pistol. The accuracy from such a short barrel is very impressive no matter how you look at it. Fits well in my hand (I have large hands) and is an honest pleasure to shoot, which is surprising for it's size and weight.

Even when I would take possession of the gun after a Brother in Law's FTF or premature battery, each time after clearing the weapon it would fire through the remaining rounds in the mag with no issues... gun worked perfectly every time it was in my hands.

Person #2: If this was my Brother in Law's brand new gun I am here to tell you all... He would have complained about this gun... that is an absolute certainty.

If I was not there to see the things he was doing wrong and more importantly if I was not there to take the gun after his "mechanical failures" (as he called it) and without as much as a quick look at the gun other than to clear it and fire off the remaining rounds in the magazines with not one slight error, repeatedly at least a dozen times, then he would have continued to have the same bad opinion about this gun and more than likely he would have found this website and/or others and posted all about it after having spent several hundreds of dollars on this little gun.


Conclusion:
In my opinion he simply had poor positioning and/or poor grip on the gun and he was not familiar with it's operation even after having owned and fired several pistols numerous times. Many times it appeared that he just did not hold it firm enough to allow the slide to do it's job. He also seemed to keep his thumbs too close to the slide and slide lock and even after this was pointed out to him several times and then instructed where and how to place his thumbs he continued to have premature battery locks or FTF failures.

All in all it was a real eye opener out at the shooting range... after having researched and read just about everything I could find about this particular gun in addition to the many others I have researched before I made my final decision and bought the Kahr P380...

I had fully expected to either have several failures of some type or another during the break in period or no failures at all... but I never would have guessed that instead of one or the other result, I would have experienced both.

It was unexpected to not only watch so many of the complaints of failures we have all read on these sites all happen to one person alone... only to also have a perfectly flawless operation by another with the same ammo on the same day.

Go Figure :-\
 

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Re: One New P380, Two People & Two Completely Different Range Results

Yeah, we're gonna need to see it.
 

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I have noticed a similar result. I am very familiar with firearms, and bounce from more rifle shooting, to handgun shooting and the reverse. The Kahr pistols beyond break in need a crush type grip to allow the proper resistance for the slide to work against. Because the slide travel is so short, the slide needs to move in a linear plane of travel, avoiding any arc.
 

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I have noticed a similar result. I am very familiar with firearms, and bounce from more rifle shooting, to handgun shooting and the reverse. The Kahr pistols beyond break in need a crush type grip to allow the proper resistance for the slide to work against. Because the slide travel is so short, the slide needs to move in a linear plane of travel, avoiding any arc.
No limp wristing allowed..............
 

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tell him to shoot it 500 times. Just keep at it. I have another to break in when it gets here. grease rails on break in w/militec. Then oil w/militec-1. My 380 weight on projectiles is 108,115,120.. I dont like 95 & 100 gr projectiles. I like cw380 better than expensive one. Shame ya dont live near, l could help him. Kahr's and H&K's have to be broke in. Kahr is a sweet pistol.
 
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