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kraigster414 said:
Thanks for the pics. So how do you like?
Well I like how they look, and the sight picture. After I go sight it in, I will be more able to comment on how I truely like them. These are the first set of XS sights I have ever used.
 

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heh terminator, are both sights night sights by xs or is it just the front sight that is the big dot night site. A fella over on the ar15 forum posted his photo of his P380 withthe xs and when asked he stated oly the front sight was tritium. I was under the impression that both front and back were both tritium.

clue me in on this being you have them, and was the old sights any issue toget off the P380 etc.
 

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heh terminator, are both sights night sights by xs or is it just the front sight that is the big dot night site.
The fella is correct. Only the front sight is Tritium. I was told by the XS folks that they couldn't fit a tritium tube in the rear P380 sight because they are so small. So only a painted white line is on the rear sight, as you can kinda see in Image 2 - Rear View.

The old (original) sights are on TIGHT!!! Takes a good sight pusher, and some patience to get em off...
 

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Terminator said:
jocko said:
heh terminator, are both sights night sights by xs or is it just the front sight that is the big dot night site.
The fella is correct. Only the front sight is Tritium. I was told by the XS folks that they couldn't fit a tritium tube in the rear P380 sight because they are so small. So only a painted white line is on the rear sight, as you can kinda see in Image 2 - Rear View.

The old (original) sights are on TIGHT!!! Takes a good sight pusher, and some patience to get em off...
I think karh welds those sights on ;D ;D ;D they have to be hardest in the industry toget off, even with a sight pusher. I think u made my decision for me. My slide will go back to kahr when I do it. knowing me I will ruin a nice sight pusher trying.. I guess I am alittle dissapointe d in that the rear sight in not night also, but that front big sight has to be awesone in the evening and problby better off when you think about it jjust seeing that big ol dot up front as ur aimong point..
 

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Got the XS Big Dots for my PM9 & love 'em...not sure if I want them for my P380. Somehow they just look bigger (almost too big) on the P380s pics that I've seen.
 

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UPDATE # 1

I shot the P380 last weekend (with the XS sights on em) only to find out it is shooting too low!!!

3 Inches too low at 10 yards! I know the correct sight picture with these sights, and they simply shoot too low! I had a friend who is a hellofa shot also fire it, and he too was consistantly 3" low!

I called XS and then guy I spoke to talked to me like I was an amateur, and insisted that I was not using the correct sight picture, or that I was sub-consciously pulling the front of the gun downward as I was firing.

The second part of his statement was impossible because my first dozen shots were off a custom made benchrest that we made specifically for sighting in our guns!

He told me to practice aiming and dry firing by aiming at the screw in the middle of a typical wall outlet cover. And if it still shot low the next time I shot it after practicing this method, to call back.

I like the sights, and I like the sight picture, but I don't think these Normal Dots have the correct front/rear sight height ratio for proper shooting accuracy the P380.

I'd really like to know how other peoples shooting accuracy is effected with the Normal or Big Dots on their P380's, so I can compare notes...
 

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probably at this time not alot of P380 out there with any big dot sights on them to get any good feedback.

My P380 just has the factory sight and those suckers put the rounds right where I want them. That little gun shoots better than my PM9 and maybe just maybe it is because my PM9 has the xs big dots on it. You definitely see more of the target with standard sights, and with the xs, they say to cover the target completly at 7 yards. My shot groups with my PM9 with big dots are not the tightest IMO certainly not comparable to my shot groups with my P380 which are very tight at 7 yards. That being said, I knew that in advance of buying the xs big dot sights to. They are to me much quicker of a sight to get on target under 10 yards and that is what my PM9 is for, so, I like that part alot. As far as highs or lows , if u see any of the target you will be low, if u cover more than just the target u will get highs.

Probably not the answers u are wanting either but that is my results with factory and xs sights...
 

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If you look at the first picture you posted, and were to draw an imaginary straight-line across it (side view) it looks like the standard (non big-dot) sight is WAY too tall. That would explain the downward grouping at such close range.

The folks who posted pictures of the big-dot sights don't look nearly as tall in the front as the standard sight. Maybe someone measure the heights, or can post some new flat side-view pictures for us to compare.
 

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UPDATE # 2

Received a new .190H Kahr Express Rear Sight from XS.

This one is taller than the original one, which should help raise the point of impact.
 

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Terminator said:
UPDATE # 2

Received a new .190H Kahr Express Rear Sight from XS.

This one is taller than the original one, which should help raise the point of impact.
nice work terminator. do u know if kahrs will offer that 190H rear sight for the xs as an option???
 
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There is no question. The Big XS sight shoots low. It is not the shooter it is the sight. I am going to call them tomorrow. Otherwise, I like them a lot. If I can get a higher rear sight, I should be ok.
 

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UPDATE # 3

Installed the new .190H Kahr Express Rear Sight from XS.
This one is taller than the original one! (about .040" taller)

It is also WIDER than the original one. (designed for wider P9/PM9 slide)
The width of the rear sight fills the entire dove tail.

I went out and test fired it on Saturday.
Shot it from 7 Yards, and 10 Yards.

RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!! PERFECT!!!
(Shooting it Center Sighted - Close Range Sight Picture)

This one is a keeper...
 
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Good to hear, thanks! I will be ordering the .190H sight also for my P380. Great assist to the members.

PS: It would be even better if XS started offering a dedicated (higher) P380 rear that was narrow enough in length so it could be drifted L or R (without the ends sticking out of the dovetail) if necessary. Sounds like the PM9 .190H however is a good stop gap fix for the time being.
 
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I spoke to Dave Biggers, Pres of XS today. He is sending me a prototype higher DEDICATED P380 rear sight after I explained that I and some other people are shooting low with the current XS rear sight. Dave asked that I send him my gun to test as he is about to ship a quantity of these suckers to Kahr and wants to be sure, but because of other commitments, I don't have the time so he agreed to send the sight only - I'll install and test fire asap. If all goes well, my new rear sight could become the factory "new and improved" P380 rear sight.

In my opinion it's best to wait for a dedicated "tweaked" P380 rear sight (if that's what is going to happen) rather than installing a PM9 rear on your P380. The PM9 is long in width and if you need to drift it, it could hang over the dovetail.

Please be a little patient. XS is a great company in my opinion and they listen to their customers.
 
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I received today from Dave Biggers at XS two "dedicated" P380 rear sights to try out. .170 and .195 heights. The standard rear that XS is sending out and that some folks are claiming shoots too low is .150 in height. I installed the .195 and went out to the range to test fire. Distance was between 5 and 7 yards. All of my shots went high. In fact as high as the .150 rear sight caused them go low. About 2-2.5 inches above the center bullseye in the case of the .195.

I just got off the phone with Dave and he indicated that Kahr has opted to stick with the standard .150 rear sight. For me I think (although I haven't tested it yet), the .170 may be the best option but keep in mind that not every gun is an exact clone, the tiniest of variances do occur, but more than likely its the shooter that determines where the bullet is headed. So there you have it. My personal take is that a .195 is not the solution but if it works for you so be it. Just make sure you rule out first any self-induced problems such as poor trigger control and/or incorrect rear-front sight match before you blame the sights.
 

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kraigster414 said:
I received today from Dave Biggers at XS two "dedicated" P380 rear sights to try out. .170 and .195 heights. The standard rear that XS is sending out and that some folks are claiming shoots too low is .150 in height. I installed the .195 and went out to the range to test fire. Distance was between 5 and 7 yards. All of my shots went high. In fact as high as the .150 rear sight caused them go low. About 2-2.5 inches above the center bullseye in the case of the .195.
I wonder if there is a difference in front sight height with the "Big Dot" versus the "Standard Dot" ???

I have the "Standard Dot" installed on mine. (Big Dot was just too darn big for me)

I measured my replacement rear sight with a micrometer and it measures out at 0.185" tall.

It is supposed to be 0.190" from the factory, but I sanded down the bottom of the sight to make it fit better and slide easier into the dovetail. Fits very nicely now :)

So FWIW, I can say that from my testing the "Normal Dot" with the measured 0.185" tall rear sight I have is right on the money with my P380 at 7 to 10 yards.

I'm not concerned about having to drift the larger P9/PM9 replacement rear sight I received to zero it in. I simply centered it nicely, and then drifted the front sight for sighting in!! Worked like a champ, and I'm a happy camper now...
 
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Yes Term., it could be the difference between the Big Dot front and the small XS front sight. Keep in mind these are not target guns or sights no matter how you cut it. And not everyone positions their front and rear XS sights the same way.
 

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Got my P380 back today from kahr witht he xs big dots sights on it. AllI can say is that this sight system for me shoots dead on at 7 yards. I see the whole dot and cover the target area with it and if anything I am maybe an inch high at best and that is fine with me, as I jerk this baby badly. Love the sights. Just a great POA sight IMO. When u pullthat gun up that front sight is just grabbing your eyeball. It is doing its job. Ain't no target sight but again this P380 is a close up fightin defense gun and this big dot sight just makes it even faster and meaner for me.

I shot corbon power ball out of it today and they worked perfectly. I previously shot 50 rounds of cci blazer brass fmj in it and whenI went to the powerball rounds I could sure hear and feel the difference. the power ballis a nice speedy round and works the action very well.
nice gun, when they do what they are designed to do.

Still won't replace my PM9 as my 24/7 carry peace though.

Kudos to kahr though for getting the xs company to produce a sight for this little p380. Speaks higly of xs to take on this venture..
 
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