[lefty60]

That's pretty cool Smokemup! I did something similar, check post #30 on the link below.

Metal Magazine Followers For 9mm Kahrs!! - Page 3

It does look good! :wink:

 

[Smokemup]

I had a little trouble with my metal bottom sliding off to easy. I had crimped it down some and was testing the fit pushing on it with my thumb.

Took two days to find my lock plate...

I used a pf9 bottom set until I found mine.

Ha! I've had several parts that have flown to no telling where. nthego:

Ok, people, I'm heading to the range tomorrow, even if it is a weekend. I'm going to abuse this magazine just to see if I can get it to fail to lock up, or drop out using tricks the RSO's probably wouldn't want to see. I'm thinking it will stay in place, but you never know, right. Stay tuned.

 

[Smokemup]

Back from testing the SmokemPlate magazine today. 50 rounds of PMC Bronze FMJ (9A) and 50 rounds of PMC Bronze HP (9B). This danged Kahr PM9193 just refuses to have any failures! And no problems with the custom magazine floor plate (base plate?). I remain impressed. No, not with this magazine test, but with the accuracy of this tiny gun. As for the magazine, it locked up solidly every time, and no feed issues. I threw some Federal Tactical HST downrange as well, but only 7 rounds just to cycle my carry ammo. Love that stuff.

In summary, this custom magazine is pretty nice, but not a deal breaker from owning a PM9 or any variant. My CM9 was every bit as reliable. I may contact some aftermarket folks, like Pearce, to see if they might be interested in producing a base plate for the Kahr. They could even allow a bit more 'tolerance' just for manufacturing variances and it will still look 100% better than what the Kahr geniuses have offered.

I took my other "failure free" gun (XDS-45) to the range today only to be subjected to 6 failures in 75 rounds. Crap! Each problem the exact same with failure to feed. PMC Bronze 230gr FMJ. I was upset at myself for not bringing some HST to the range, but it was a last minute decision to take the 45.

All in all a good day and much better than my morning of pushing a mower in this incredible east coast heat wave.

 

[ron54]

Sweet............

 

[Smokemup]

I celebrated today's day with a fancy bottle of cheap red wine. But crap, this type of thing happens all too often... Help me, people, help!

 

[ron54]

I celebrated today's day with a fancy bottle of cheap red wine. But crap, this type of thing happens all too often... Help me, people, help!

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Well...........you know my kind of help ( when it comes to this kind of thing ).........I reccommend you stay the course........and carry on........time for a refill...........more wine please...!!!!!!!!

 

[ron54]

Back from testing the SmokemPlate magazine today. 50 rounds of PMC Bronze FMJ (9A) and 50 rounds of PMC Bronze HP (9B). This danged Kahr PM9193 just refuses to have any failures! And no problems with the custom magazine floor plate (base plate?). I remain impressed. No, not with this magazine test, but with the accuracy of this tiny gun. As for the magazine, it locked up solidly every time, and no feed issues. I threw some Federal Tactical HST downrange as well, but only 7 rounds just to cycle my carry ammo. Love that stuff.

In summary, this custom magazine is pretty nice, but not a deal breaker from owning a PM9 or any variant. My CM9 was every bit as reliable. I may contact some aftermarket folks, like Pearce, to see if they might be interested in producing a base plate for the Kahr. They could even allow a bit more 'tolerance' just for manufacturing variances and it will still look 100% better than what the Kahr geniuses have offered.

I took my other "failure free" gun (XDS-45) to the range today only to be subjected to 6 failures in 75 rounds. Crap! Each problem the exact same with failure to feed. PMC Bronze 230gr FMJ. I was upset at myself for not bringing some HST to the range, but it was a last minute decision to take the 45.

All in all a good day and much better than my morning of pushing a mower in this incredible east coast heat wave.

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Sounds great...........you may have found the holy grail of kahr base plates.......?

 

[SlowBurn]

Sounds great...........you may have found the holy grail of kahr base plates.......?

Yep - looks great works fine. Was is over, you won.

 

[Flieger]

I'm Sorry I'm late to the party. Looks good. As an alternative to the DB's, you might want to consider the Pearce magazine extensions. I take those and shave about half the extension away, and they look and feel good.

 

[Smokemup]

I'm Sorry I'm late to the party. Looks good. As an alternative to the DB's, you might want to consider the Pearce magazine extensions. I take those and shave about half the extension away, and they look and feel good.

With the scarcity of DB9 magazines, you're probably right. There's bound to be other baseplates out there as well. I shot the 9193 again today and once again, zero issues. Magazine is fine. Gun remains at 100% and eerily accurate. It's not fair to other manufacturers! :notfair:

:wink:

 

[xsailer]

I'm Sorry I'm late to the party. Looks good. As an alternative to the DB's, you might want to consider the Pearce magazine extensions. I take those and shave about half the extension away, and they look and feel good.

I Posted about a year ago I had used the Pearce mag ends and had problems. I was using them brand new in a class where we were to let the mag drop on the ground while reloading another mag. Every time the sprung latch at the bottom of the mag would have to have the Pearce end slid to reengage the sprung latch. I quite using them. I have a theory; because the end is tapered as it hits the ground it lands on the pointed end of the Pearce part which causes the disengagement. Maybe if the plastic was flattened as you do it it wouldn't unsnap.

The mag was a double stack for M&PC9

 

[lefty60]

I Posted about a year ago I had used the Pearce meg ends and had problems. I was using them brand new in a class where we were to let the mag drop on the ground while reloading another mag. Every time the sprung latch at the bottom of the mag would have to have the Pearce end slid to reengage the sprung latch. I quite using them. I have a theory; because the end is tapered as it hits the ground it lands on the pointed end of the Pearce part which causes the disengagement. Maybe if the plastic was flattened as you do it it wouldn't unsnap.

The mag was a double stack for M&PC9

That is one of the reasons a default reload uses "retain the empty/partial empty mag." If you are under fire you can always just drop the empty.

The folks that teach always drop the empty are not the ones that pay for your mags.
Sometimes it is wise to replace a partial mag, default training to "retain" will mean that you still have a mag with some ammo in it.

Something to think about. Just say'n :wink:

 

[BillACP]

I can't recall that I've ever dropped a mag including quals on a PPC course...just don't want to take the potential risk of a malfunction resulting in unseen damage from a high mag drop on a hard surface...cost a rookie his life when a suspect shot him with the rookie partner's 9mm who had been shot previously by the suspect during a traffic stop. The suspect tried to finish off the partner / FTO after killing the rookie but the next round didn't feed from the mag which had a very small crack causing a feed issue - suspect died later in other action.

Lefty brings up another good point on retaining a mag with ammo remaining depending on your situation under fire....& no situation is ever the same in how you may have to deal with it...

 

[lefty60]

I can't recall that I've ever dropped a mag including quals on a PPC course...just don't want to take the potential risk of a malfunction resulting in unseen damage from a high mag drop on a hard surface...cost a rookie his life when a suspect shot him with the rookie partner's 9mm who had been shot previously by the suspect during a traffic stop. The suspect tried to finish off the partner / FTO after killing the rookie but the next round didn't feed from the mag which had a very small crack causing a feed issue - suspect died later in other action.

Lefty brings up another good point on retaining a mag with ammo remaining depending on your situation under fire....& no situation is ever the same in how you may have to deal with it...

A good example. Not good that the Officer died.

 

[BillACP]

Armed robbery had just occurred & officers had just got out of the squad car a few seconds before suspect / car info was put out through dispatch... Yep - bad timing...

 

[xsailer]

I sure didn't like letting them drop on the concrete BUT,,,,this was at the direction of the instructor. His justification was you don't have time to worry over a spent mag. Get the other one in quickly.
For the record I concur with all your input.

As in everything, the moment all is happening determines what to do.

 

[lefty60]

Armed robbery had just occurred & officers had just got out of the squad car a few seconds before suspect / car info was put out through dispatch... Yep - bad timing...

Bad timing indeed, Mr. Murphy at work! Sometimes unwanted stuff just happens, It sucks when a Good Guy suffers from it!

 

[BillACP]

Sure, if life threatening you can dump a fully spent mag - if you're still standing / living to go for another - what the instructors don't tell you. Otherwise as in training, etc., try to retain the mag but if you must drop, make it the top of your foot...

 

[BillACP]

Bad timing indeed, Mr. Murphy at work! Sometimes unwanted stuff just happens, It sucks when a Good Guy suffers from it!

Agreed...even when you do things right...

 

[Smokemup]

I'm not dropping a magazine on anything but heavily padded shag carpet and I don't care how much I paid for the training class! LOL. Correct me if this is wrong, but someone on the internet said that during a gunfight you simply call "TIME" and everyone must stop for mag changes. I may have misunderstood.... :thumbsu: